http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/ A weblog about urbanism, technology, & culture. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:54:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9617 JR Rozko Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:12:46 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9617 Dude, spelled your name wrong, sorry about that - Jordon. Dude, spelled your name wrong, sorry about that – Jordon.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9605 JR Rozko Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:40:20 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9605 Jordan, thanks for your post and thinking down these lines. I am fortunate to be part of a community that values bi-vocationalism as an approach to church leadership thereby connecting the leaders of local communities more with the context they inhabit. This of course leads to the need for new models of formation and training. I did a series on my blog regarding bi-vocational ministry not too long ago (here's a link to the last post http://bit.ly/qzhpk which has links to those which came before). And I am trying to wrap up a series on a missional vision of theological education (latest post here http://bit.ly/8PQxAB). I hope that some of what I have been writing speaks to the sort of challenges you are taking about here. Thanks for your thoughts. Jordan, thanks for your post and thinking down these lines. I am fortunate to be part of a community that values bi-vocationalism as an approach to church leadership thereby connecting the leaders of local communities more with the context they inhabit. This of course leads to the need for new models of formation and training. I did a series on my blog regarding bi-vocational ministry not too long ago (here’s a link to the last post http://bit.ly/qzhpk which has links to those which came before). And I am trying to wrap up a series on a missional vision of theological education (latest post here http://bit.ly/8PQxAB). I hope that some of what I have been writing speaks to the sort of challenges you are taking about here. Thanks for your thoughts.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9576 Saturday links… « sacred journeys in L.A. Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:53:37 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9576 [...] slowing down the path to the pulpit, [...] [...] slowing down the path to the pulpit, [...]

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9535 Jordon Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:44:18 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9535 Or more accurately, it's set to be autolinked in my web editor, like other coffee shops that regularly get linked to on the site. Or more accurately, it’s set to be autolinked in my web editor, like other coffee shops that regularly get linked to on the site.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9533 Adam King Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:06:50 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9533 Why is Starbucks linked. Endorsement? How worldly. Why is Starbucks linked. Endorsement? How worldly.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9527 Neoteny – JordonCooper.com Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:16:49 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9527 [...] read this by Joi Ito this morning and I thought it fit in well with our discussion here. Neoteny is the retention of childlike attributes in adulthood. Human beings are younger longer [...] [...] read this by Joi Ito this morning and I thought it fit in well with our discussion here. Neoteny is the retention of childlike attributes in adulthood. Human beings are younger longer [...]

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9519 Jordon Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:50:54 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9519 Guy Kawasaki would also suggest that male lead organizations are often too competitive and without several women in senior leadership roles, they tend to win, rather than build partnerships. Guy Kawasaki would also suggest that male lead organizations are often too competitive and without several women in senior leadership roles, they tend to win, rather than build partnerships.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9517 Brian Jon Tap Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:35:27 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9517 I agree with Gloria. When I was in "paid", "full time" ministry (whatever that means), I was the only one on staff that has worked "real" jobs, including owning my own business. I was always surprised at the competitive attitude with other churches/organizations. Much of that comes from economics. Many small and/or growing churches have great demand on finances and never trust God (for real) and do what is right. I agree with Gloria. When I was in “paid”, “full time” ministry (whatever that means), I was the only one on staff that has worked “real” jobs, including owning my own business. I was always surprised at the competitive attitude with other churches/organizations. Much of that comes from economics. Many small and/or growing churches have great demand on finances and never trust God (for real) and do what is right.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9512 Jordon Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:55:45 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9512 Wes, I think that is part of the solution as well. Wes, I think that is part of the solution as well.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9510 Wes Hill Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:50:19 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9510 I wonder if we could suggest another response to your question...what if pastoring explicitly demanded community involvement? What if pastor's were expected to spend time working with other organizations and people in their community with no direct involvement in their churches. I spent one year on the mission field and one year working before starting Bible College and became a youth pastor immediately after that. Those experiences both helped me, however what may have helped the most was the expectation that I would find ways to spend about 8 hours a week out in our community interacting with youth. I wonder if we could suggest another response to your question…what if pastoring explicitly demanded community involvement? What if pastor’s were expected to spend time working with other organizations and people in their community with no direct involvement in their churches. I spent one year on the mission field and one year working before starting Bible College and became a youth pastor immediately after that. Those experiences both helped me, however what may have helped the most was the expectation that I would find ways to spend about 8 hours a week out in our community interacting with youth.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9503 Bert Lang Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:51:46 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9503 What I value about working at The Salvation Army is that although salvation is a big part of the message, the price of a sandwich is not having to listen to a sermon. Any other church I've worked for or with makes participation in the church the price of participation What I value about working at The Salvation Army is that although salvation is a big part of the message, the price of a sandwich is not having to listen to a sermon. Any other church I’ve worked for or with makes participation in the church the price of participation

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9495 Dan Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:24:16 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9495 I like the idea of a couple years of service for pastors. In response to one of Bill's posts I suggested 1000 hours changing bedpans. I like the idea of a couple years of service for pastors. In response to one of Bill’s posts I suggested 1000 hours changing bedpans.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9492 ron cole Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:25:15 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9492 Jordon, A while back I was involved in a very EV Church that was interested in a cooperative effort with a local food bank. The straw that broke the camels back was the church wanted their banner very visible, and distribute it's version of faith. Needless to say it fell apart, the church far less missional and the food bank struggles with volunteers. This seems to be a repeated often by various cooperative efforts with the church and local social justice agencies. I say " just do it " form partnerships and see what evolves out of forming the relationship...I think both parties but surprise themselves. Jordon, A while back I was involved in a very EV Church that was interested in a cooperative effort with a local food bank. The straw that broke the camels back was the church wanted their banner very visible, and distribute it’s version of faith. Needless to say it fell apart, the church far less missional and the food bank struggles with volunteers.
This seems to be a repeated often by various cooperative efforts with the church and local social justice agencies. I say ” just do it ” form partnerships and see what evolves out of forming the relationship…I think both parties but surprise themselves.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9488 Jordon Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:27:50 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9488 Hi Linea, go ahead. I would love to get some feedback on it. Hi Linea, go ahead. I would love to get some feedback on it.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9487 Linea Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:57:35 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9487 Great post. I think I will copy it and take it with me as a resource in my seminary class on the missional church if you don't mind. Great post. I think I will copy it and take it with me as a resource in my seminary class on the missional church if you don’t mind.

]]> http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-9485 Saturday Links — DashHouse.com Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:18:51 +0000 http://www.jordoncooper.com/2009/12/12/missional-challenges/#comment-9485 [...] The case for slowing down the path to the pulpit [...] [...] The case for slowing down the path to the pulpit [...]

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