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		<title>By: ooopinionsss</title>
		<link>http://www.jordoncooper.com/2008/10/04/if-i-had-a-blog-of-my-own/comment-page-1/#comment-6040</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How you think when the economic crisis will end? I wish to make statistics of independent opinions!</description>
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		<title>By: Quotable, and Quoted : Subversive Influence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quotable, and Quoted : Subversive Influence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sweet (via Jordon Cooper): &#8220;&#8230;musing about how I am SO tired of the church viewing the world more as a market [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike O</title>
		<link>http://www.jordoncooper.com/2008/10/04/if-i-had-a-blog-of-my-own/comment-page-1/#comment-5793</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medical conditions can be worsened by erratic sleep schedules.  Maybe your employer can make sure your work always stays within a 16 hour window.  8 to 4 some days, and 4 to midnight on others?  That way you will always be in bed during the &quot;wee hours&quot;.  Zombie shifts - part days, part swing, part graveyard - usually make even a healthy person sick after 3 months.  

As far as church work and church life, everything goes in cycles.  Normally, the year before the (US) presidential elections is a bad time for churches, while the year after is one of the best.  Sometimes grabbing a church job now, and toughing out a bad season, pays off in a year.  This is, of course, a gross generalization, each local parish is unique.

As far as looking at &quot;ministry as market&quot;, it&#039;s often more than a business decision.  Any organization has a challenge to be effective, so it usually needs to narrow a focus to a specific type of person.  And, any organization needs resources to survive.  Absorbing a lot of high need people can quickly drain resources, however, first targeting a demographic with resources may allow an organization to then target more high-need people.  All churches target a demographic, some analytically choose to be aware and open-eyed.  Others choose to be blind, but still target a demographic by default.  In general, most churches chase the same sixth of the population, many chase a narrower slice.

In a more esoteric sense, any movement goes through cycles.  The Emerging movement has gone through an expansion phase, and now is assimilating.  The leaders aren&#039;t growing cohorts, they are out peddling books.  This is a phase often called &quot;bad stochastics&quot;.  The emerging movement is slowly creeping away from Gen-X pragmatism and integrity-challenges.  And the Millennials (and retired Boomers) are bringing idealism in.  Somehow, the movement needs to find a balance.  

There are about a dozen companies that are extremely useful to startups - Harbor Freight, Enco, Tractor Supply, Northern Hardware, ... and Cabela&#039;s is one of them.  Plenty of startups and plenty of liberals in San Francisco.  And plenty of Cabela customers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medical conditions can be worsened by erratic sleep schedules.  Maybe your employer can make sure your work always stays within a 16 hour window.  8 to 4 some days, and 4 to midnight on others?  That way you will always be in bed during the &#8220;wee hours&#8221;.  Zombie shifts &#8211; part days, part swing, part graveyard &#8211; usually make even a healthy person sick after 3 months.  </p>
<p>As far as church work and church life, everything goes in cycles.  Normally, the year before the (US) presidential elections is a bad time for churches, while the year after is one of the best.  Sometimes grabbing a church job now, and toughing out a bad season, pays off in a year.  This is, of course, a gross generalization, each local parish is unique.</p>
<p>As far as looking at &#8220;ministry as market&#8221;, it&#8217;s often more than a business decision.  Any organization has a challenge to be effective, so it usually needs to narrow a focus to a specific type of person.  And, any organization needs resources to survive.  Absorbing a lot of high need people can quickly drain resources, however, first targeting a demographic with resources may allow an organization to then target more high-need people.  All churches target a demographic, some analytically choose to be aware and open-eyed.  Others choose to be blind, but still target a demographic by default.  In general, most churches chase the same sixth of the population, many chase a narrower slice.</p>
<p>In a more esoteric sense, any movement goes through cycles.  The Emerging movement has gone through an expansion phase, and now is assimilating.  The leaders aren&#8217;t growing cohorts, they are out peddling books.  This is a phase often called &#8220;bad stochastics&#8221;.  The emerging movement is slowly creeping away from Gen-X pragmatism and integrity-challenges.  And the Millennials (and retired Boomers) are bringing idealism in.  Somehow, the movement needs to find a balance.  </p>
<p>There are about a dozen companies that are extremely useful to startups &#8211; Harbor Freight, Enco, Tractor Supply, Northern Hardware, &#8230; and Cabela&#8217;s is one of them.  Plenty of startups and plenty of liberals in San Francisco.  And plenty of Cabela customers!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband has worked lots of shift work, so we can relate - and even now that he doesn&#039;t work any more nights or evenings, he still works weekends which mean an evening service is a must for us - so when your home church consistently cancels the service that works for you every summer, you go other places and try other things...  All that to say, we&#039;ve really enjoyed Alan Scott from Causeway Coast Vineyard&#039;s sermons - they have challenged us and helped us to grow - so here&#039;s a link...
http://www.causewaycoastvineyard.com/sermons.htm

I actually think it was you - many years ago- that got me thinking wider about the internet and church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband has worked lots of shift work, so we can relate &#8211; and even now that he doesn&#8217;t work any more nights or evenings, he still works weekends which mean an evening service is a must for us &#8211; so when your home church consistently cancels the service that works for you every summer, you go other places and try other things&#8230;  All that to say, we&#8217;ve really enjoyed Alan Scott from Causeway Coast Vineyard&#8217;s sermons &#8211; they have challenged us and helped us to grow &#8211; so here&#8217;s a link&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.causewaycoastvineyard.com/sermons.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.causewaycoastvineyard.com/sermons.htm</a></p>
<p>I actually think it was you &#8211; many years ago- that got me thinking wider about the internet and church.</p>
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